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Post by bethnor on Jun 14, 2022 5:42:37 GMT
for better or worse i think the RT score will settle around mid-70s. This of course means absolutely nothing. I'm glad he seemed to really enjoy making this. I have to be honest, I think Pixar is way overrated. Generally I find Laika and Tom Moore's output far superior. Even if they weren't objectively better, critics should have sent more awards love their way. That Pixar and Disney is such an unstoppable monolith is their fault, to a certain degree. and this isn't like the Marvel vs DC movies; there were real choices here that should have gone the other way, but didn't. For example, yes, either Coraline or Secret of Kells should have taken best animated feature over Up!. Kubo should have taken it over Zootopia, Persepolis over Ratatouille, Song of the Sea over Big Hero 6 (!!!!!!!) as just a few examples.
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Post by Picap on Jun 17, 2022 17:52:43 GMT
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Post by Picap on Jun 17, 2022 18:02:55 GMT
for better or worse i think the RT score will settle around mid-70s. This of course means absolutely nothing. I'm glad he seemed to really enjoy making this. I have to be honest, I think Pixar is way overrated. Generally I find Laika and Tom Moore's output far superior. Even if they weren't objectively better, critics should have sent more awards love their way. That Pixar and Disney is such an unstoppable monolith is their fault, to a certain degree. and this isn't like the Marvel vs DC movies; there were real choices here that should have gone the other way, but didn't. For example, yes, either Coraline or Secret of Kells should have taken best animated feature over Up!. Kubo should have taken it over Zootopia, Persepolis over Ratatouille, Song of the Sea over Big Hero 6 (!!!!!!!) as just a few examples. Avg rating is still 6.8 so high 70s/low 80s is where it will probably land. I think Pixar and Disney actually get rated harder on RT because they're graded against themselves - there's a lot of mediocre animation from other big studios that gets a passing grade for the bare minimum. I do agree that foreign animation and animation from indie studios don't get the push they should commercially or with awards. Of those you listed I agree Persepolis and Song Of The Sea should have won over those films though SoS maybe not over The Tale of Princess Kaguya (both brilliant). The problem is most Oscar voters don't watch or respect animation and those that do bother to vote do so for the one they probably saw or heard of.
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Post by bethnor on Jun 20, 2022 6:35:14 GMT
unfortunately it's underperforming domestically at the box office. i think there were several miscalculations. probably the most important was underestimating the power to top gun: maverick. then, putting aside there are few people who draw fans to movies, i don't think this was a movie the average CE fan who didn't have a family would go see? in nonpandemic conditions, i might have bought a ticket just to support... but with the numbers being the way they are that was a no go (as mentioned a long time ago, i actually do a lot of the covid stuff at my facility). i was done with toy story after the first sequel, and as i stated upstream, i have found every pixar movie inferior to smaller studio animated output. the worst thing about it underperfoming though is it lets the worst people make the worst conclusions. dem's the breaks though.
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Post by capsbestgirl on Jun 20, 2022 18:02:35 GMT
Opening weekend numbers: Domestic (59.6%) $51,000,000 International (40.4%) $34,600,000 Worldwide $85,600,000
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Post by Picap on Dec 16, 2022 12:52:34 GMT
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Post by bethnor on Jul 24, 2023 6:23:19 GMT
so, i got this when it was on sale on itunes for 9.99, and i've had it in my queue. i actually thought it was fine? this is again with the caveats that i in general find pixar way overrated, and haven't really been watching the toy story installments since maybe the second one. i also feel (rather strongly) actually that animated movies should try to get actual voice actors as much as possible, especially for these large projects. all that said i found this perfectly enjoyable and reasonably well done, even. the marketing was way off, i agree, and the concept itself never really gels (i.e., this being the movie that inspired the buzz lightyear toyline in toy story... the story is too meta, not fanciful enough to capture a child's imagination the way the og star wars did). and i hate how this movie is now associated with the financial flailing of pixar. and i certainly don't get some of the critic vitriol against it. didn't miss allen at all? the buzz in this movie needed some vulnerability, which i thought chris brought to the role admirably. ah well.
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