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Post by Zak on Feb 16, 2017 0:54:03 GMT
If it helps, one time I was watching this and my dad came home. I explained that the tele was crap, but if he wanted to put something else on to feel free He pays the tivo bill after all. Anyway we ended up watching it all, you'd think that would be wierd a 60 year old man watching a movie basically about peoples sex lives with his 20 something daughter. Wasn't wierd at all and he loved it. The bit I thought would make him crack and have to find something else was in the bar when the girls are playing the game with the numbers on the pieces of paper, guessing who's were who's. When they're all shocked at 13! and she just states "geeez, it's not like they were all in there at the same time" he burst out laughing Gotta admit that post sounds kinda deep, and I've just spent the last 10 minutes watching the gifs you and Picap posted of Chris in various states of undress...I'm not as deep as I think I am! Lol Well, your dad kind of put the spanner in the works of my theory but I don't particularly like this film either. My theory touches on what picap mentioned earlier today The Mancrush. I admit to it more than happily myself. The truth is that there's an army of us out there. However, I think that if a guy is really nice and he's also good looking girls will obviously like him. If he's a bit of a dick then girls will still be swayed at least for a while by his looks and look for the good in him or even convince themselves he's nicer than he really is. Don't deny it girls, we all know the good looking dickhead who gets all the girls and the ordinary nice guy who gets overlooked. Men do the same but that's for a different post. However, the mancrush works differently. If a bloke is nice and we like him and he's also good looking and popular you might get the mancrush BUT if he's a dickhead his good looks make you hate him more than you would if he was plain. Put simply, for us if he's a dickhead his good looks actually work against him. Not only is he a knob but we're jealous of his looks and success with the girls. That's my theory for why Bs and me don't like Colin in a major way! Girls can see his charm and potential. We just don't want to know! I don't know if that works the same for gay guys. I'd be interested to know that. With JenSai's dad maybe being of a different generation he has a more paternal view of both Ally and Colin whereas younger guys see him as a threat. JenSai - ask him how he would feel about you dating Colin. I wonder what he'd say!
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Post by JenSai on Feb 16, 2017 1:30:49 GMT
Oh, I never thought of that. I mean, I'm not saying my dad is old, but... To be fair I think both my parents would like me to date... anyone, they're not fussy...I am ^_^ I hate dickheads, I can see right through them almost immediately <_< This is why I struggle to find a guy that I feel atracted to. Fact is a real world Colin would never approach me. Because I don't just wanna look at a pretty face, I need to have intelligent conversations. I need a guy that understands and appreciates that I probably know more about my car than makeup (I know a lot about my car, bugger all about make up) That I'm more interested in watching movies or playing video games than going out to dinner/getting drunk. Maybe my brain just works differently to most women (I'm almost certain of it) If I see a good looking guy its rare for me not to assume he's a douchebag, in the same vein I know that most guys see a pretty girl and assume she must be a bitch. Because someone looks a certain way, they probably act a certain way? Because they grew up pretty It's kinda like what Erskine says to Steve "a weak man knows the value of strength" I think its our society and the way we're brought up, differs from place to place but alot of the fundamentals and assumptions about what people are like by how they look are bullshit, and we know it, but can't help but think it still There's a guy that comes in to the store where I work and talks to me, he clearly has a thing for me. (Not being big headed it's just worryingly obvious) He basically looks like he's a balding 40 something pre-serum Steve Rogers, except he's not a nice little man at all. He's actually a creepy, annoying homophobe He seems to think that telling me about his charity work and all he does for the church will sway me, but it's too late for that, I've seen his true colours. So an ordinary guy might not be nice either...bollocks ... it's okay I'm gonna die alone, surrounded by cats, anyway lol Edit:I know, I know...I'll find someone Friends at work keep saying they'll find me a Chris Evans lookalike! I'm pretty sure it's not just how he looks or I'd be posting messages on a Hemsworth board You boys have a man crush on The Evans because he seems to be a genuine, nice caring human being. ...That's not too much for a girl to ask for? ...Oh and maybe tall, I'm 5"9, tall is good...
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Post by Bob on Feb 16, 2017 16:47:29 GMT
Here we are having an intelligent conversation about What's Your Number? Who'd have thought? I mean there's nothing else going on in the world to worry about! After Zak's post I've been having a think (ouch) and I realise that I have been doing just what he said. If you really don't like a guy and he's good looking his looks count against him, certainly for blokes. So I have to say I really hated Colin! His picking up women, shagging them and then refusing to even talk to them is not something I can see as a cute little quirk. The scale on which he was doing it took it beyond that. I find it really frustrating when I read mostly female fans saying how charming and sweet he is when I'm jumping up and down shouting NO! He's a gob shite, why can't you see it!? I didn't like Ally either. I just found her irritating and whiny. I am not the only one because in quite a few reviews I've read the critic saying the problem with the film is the characters weren't likeable. Also I remember in one interview a female reporter asking Chris how he felt playing both Hero of the Year (Cap) and douche bag of the year (Colin)? He side stepped the question if I remember right. I think maybe Zak is right and there's a bit of jealousy going on here. Why do the douche bags get all the girls?
Where do I go from here? OK, a bit of self analysis. Judging other people is a mine field. People say don't be judgemental. Be if you have no judgement, you have no values. We all make judgements. I take 'don't be judgemental' to mean 'keep your judgements to yourself'. However, you do make exceptions. For example if you don't like a politician or someone else who has actual power over your life, it's OK to speak up but also if it's not real people like characters in books and films. In a way, it's part of the point of a film/book that you can be judgemental and discuss things that it would be maybe hurtful to do about a real person. That's my apology for judging Colin.
Now for my admission that I might have got things wrong. I really hate it when people judge a whole person based on one thing they messed up on. You know, you can do good thing after good thing and then you mess up and people just see the mess up. It's like you're only as good as your last mistake. I make a conscious effort in real life not to do that. I've actually taught myself to see people as a whole and not get hurt by little things they do or say and I'm a happier person for it. So I realise I have looked past Colin's good points and to be honest there are many. He's obviously willing to really put himself out to help others, he's witty, he's all sorts of nice things. Like I said the nice things don't excuse the bad but is it enough to tip the balance of him as a person? There IS a balance! You can't say Hitler was an animal loving vegetarian so let's turn a blind eye to the rest. Yet on reflexion having read JenSai's reviews I think they probably do and I've been too harsh. I also probably haven't looked into why he's doing this, why he's scared of closeness, what's the root of his fear etc. He definitely needs therapy.
I noticed at one point he made it clear he had a condom on him. That, plus the park scene where he's looking after his nephew, was a deliberate attempt to make him look responsible about sexual health and birth control and show he liked children to an audience who might otherwise be wondering how many children of his own he had dotted around Boston he knew/cared nothing about or how many STDs he'd picked up or passed on. The film makers were vaguely aware that Colin could be seen badly.
Which leads me on to the edit. When the film first came out I tried to read the book for a group discussion on a forum very much like this. I honestly couldn't get past the first twenty or so pages. It was just dreadful. Hideous. However, some others in the group did finish it and said Colin came over in the book as nicer. There's a scene when he does some shopping for an elderly neighbour but this was not in the film. My memory is hazy now but wasn't the nephew in the park cut from the theatrical release? Also wasn't the bit about the photo of the girl as a five year old cut from the theatrical release too. You know, this one
If these were all missing from the main release version Colin's character suffers badly. So it can be argued that editing decisions left Colin looking in a worse light than he would otherwise have been. It's noticeable anyway that the DVD release has the unedited version so they must have realised their mistake.
Another thing I need to admit is that my anger on behalf of the girls he was mistreating is pompous and sexist. Sorry about that. You're right that if they can't see through him and are happy to go off and jump into bed with a stranger just because he's good looking then it's none of my business and they don't deserve pity anyway. They're not children. I just kept thinking 'if that was my sister!' My sister would have kicked him in the balls and told him to fuck off, though!
One last reservation about Colin. Something doesn't make sense. Colin says he doesn't want to get to know the girls he's just masturbated into because if he did he wouldn't want to hurt them and he just has to hurt them. So he's choosing not to be nice so that he can be nasty so that he doesn't have to be nice? I am with Ally when she says 'kind of like a serial killer?"
Ally isn't half as bad. She's just irritating but as the film went on I just ended up thinking I didn't care what they did or whether they got together because I didn't like them despite Chris being my favourite actor and Anna Faris being very high up my list of favourite actresses. I think Lost in Translation is in my top 3 films and Anna Faris very nearly steals the show in that film. I love her. The two of them saved the film from being a complete waste of time, which I think most of the critics said. It got panned by the critics but I don't recall any of them blaming the cast who were all really, really good. Anna Faris is a well established comic actor and Chris proved again that he can do comedy like a natural.
Last point, OK I don't like rom-coms as a genre I admit but I just didn't laugh very much. The only time I really laughed was the failed English (not British!!) accent. That was really funny.
I DID love seeing Boston!
Anyway, don't beat me up for not liking this. If I'm open about what I don't like at least you can trust me when I say I DO like something. Part of the amazing thing about The Evans is that he has never been bad in any film he's ever been in no matter how bad the film is. He still comes out of it smelling of roses. He actually really IS the best thing about every film he's been in. He just Evanses his roles and it works.
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Post by Picap on Mar 28, 2018 3:39:00 GMT
Thanks. Could you tell me if there's an interview or how you found that little tidbit out about the movie push? I haven't seen that in ages lol I never finished watching it. I saw only a little interview about this movie when the actors did press for it, which was ages ago. Couldn't pick anything up, it's not silly if you think about the climate where in today...but I also don't want to offend anyone on here. Just probably being silly lol. Anyways if there's nothing else anyone knows...but really what can we know about these movies behind scenes etc unless someone has a script for this movie lol that's a stretch but some fans sometimes have it? But that little tidbit from the movie push, sort of fits in to what Chris Evans shows us, of himself from interviews. If there's anything else let me know, not saying he is like that Taylor Kinney ....just asking. That anecdote came from Paul McGuigan, the director of Push. It may be from the DVD Director Commentary. Though just because something isn't in the script doesn't mean it hasn't been discussed or physically rehearsed and worked out between the actors or between the actors and director. Improvisations happen though. Hayley Atwell famously impulsively touched Evans'chest in Captain America. They kept it in the movie and she jokes about it all the time. Evans is a good sport about it, they're friends and he wasn't offended. Welcome to the board.
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Post by capsbestgirl on Mar 28, 2018 18:14:39 GMT
Oh, I visited Bova's bakery while in Boston, it smelt divine!
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Post by Bob on Jun 10, 2018 14:30:51 GMT
Premiere LA 19th September, 2011 Films
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Post by Bob on Jul 21, 2018 19:09:41 GMT
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Post by sharebear817 on Jul 21, 2018 22:26:07 GMT
1211this is my favorite non-superhero Chris movie of ALL time!!! the chemistry between him and anna is awesome!
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Post by Bob on Jul 22, 2018 9:33:03 GMT
1211this is my favorite non-superhero Chris movie of ALL time!!! the chemistry between him and anna is awesome! I just love that it's in Boston!! When I went there in 2016 I looked up the bakery shop and the square where the wedding scene at the end with Chris singing was filmed.
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Post by capsbestgirl on Jul 22, 2018 9:38:08 GMT
1211this is my favorite non-superhero Chris movie of ALL time!!! the chemistry between him and anna is awesome! I just love that it's in Boston!! When I went there in 2016 I looked up the bakery shop and the square where the wedding scene at the end with Chris singing was filmed. I went to Bova's in March when I visited Boston. The food looked amazing - although I didn't buy anything, my friends did!
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Post by corinna on Oct 18, 2018 8:15:42 GMT
I watched that movie yesterday evening and quite liked it. I fell in love with Colin in a heartbeat. His face when he was hiding the first time behind that pillar in her apartment I didn't like Ally at all... I don't know why exactly but I haven't felt any chemistry between her and Colin in the first minutes (or hour). Although the basketball scene totally changed that feeling. That moment when he put his arms around her and the looks they changed - boooom! The fact that the movie was about sex and that the "main couple" never had sex the whole movie I liked quite much the more I think about it. All in all a feel good movie with a good and of course beautiful Chris.
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Post by Bob on Oct 18, 2018 8:49:16 GMT
That's an observation I'd never made!! It's true. Interesting.
It's no secret in here that this if far from my favourite film (English understatement there). I really disliked both characters 😂The only time my being a guy has any relevance on the forum is when Chris plays characters I don't like. I really don't care how good looking he is I still don't like him! I don't know if you saw the cinema release version or the full version. The cinema release had a couple of scenes missing which showed Colin in a better light.
But the fact as you point out that they never had sex in the film is so interesting and I can't believe I didn't think about it before.
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Post by corinna on Oct 18, 2018 13:14:55 GMT
I saw the full version. I didn't know that there where two versions until my blu-ray told me ;-) And of course I chose the longer version. I love another thing about the movie: the apartments of Colin and Ally! Oh my god, I would totally rent one of them
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Post by Bob on Oct 19, 2018 8:17:34 GMT
I saw the full version. I didn't know that there where two versions until my blu-ray told me ;-) And of course I chose the longer version. I love another thing about the movie: the apartments of Colin and Ally! Oh my god, I would totally rent one of them They looked great didn't they. Not sure Colin as part time wedding singer could actually afford a flat in central Boston but we'll skip over that one.
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Post by Guest on May 22, 2021 10:48:28 GMT
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