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Post by Zak on Mar 6, 2017 13:57:06 GMT
The hugely ironic thing that hits me about these characters is their fake patriotism. During the Second World War some nazi sympathisers in invaded countries like France, Belgium, Ukraine and many others betrayed their country and their countryfolk who were resisting the invasion by joining the nazis as collaborators. If you hold these racist and fascist views then your first loyalty is to that movement NOT your country. If the USA were invaded by a foreign force who were fascist/racist these people would turn their backs on their country and collaborate in a heartbeat.
I'm presuming our recent tributes and these disgusting tweets are just coincidences.
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Post by Bob on Mar 6, 2017 15:28:43 GMT
The hugely ironic thing that hits me about these characters is their fake patriotism. During the Second World War some nazi sympathisers in invaded countries like France, Belgium, Ukraine and many others betrayed their country and their countryfolk who were resisting the invasion by joining the nazis as collaborators. If you hold these racist and fascist views then your first loyalty is to that movement NOT your country. If the USA were invaded by a foreign force who were fascist/racist these people would turn their backs on their country and collaborate in a heartbeat. I'm presuming our recent tributes and these disgusting tweets are just coincidences. I agree 100% with that!! They'd sell out their own family for 'the cause'.
Anyway, dear Cevansies. I see that the Ryan Buck guy is sporting a grand total of 0 likes and retweets and David Duke's account has been suspended!
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Post by mechevpao9 on Mar 6, 2017 16:00:31 GMT
it's true that Duke only had 30thousand followers and the one that replied with the direct "accusation" has 40 followers, nevertheless it's a dirty game that it's meant to harm Chris image, Duke tried first with the "white genocide" acusation, it was too ridiculous and it backfired him, but to do the indirect imply, that there is something dirty in his computer and someone else saying "pedo" that is a horrible thing, there are people hurting in the real world by real sick people out there, and to have an scumbag like that man trying to damage someone's image using such accusation, it shouldn't be taken lightly.
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Post by mechevpao9 on Mar 6, 2017 19:19:54 GMT
just FYI.... twitter unbanned the KKK white supremacist... once again... because it's so much fun to have people being racist and spreading hate
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Post by Bob on Mar 6, 2017 19:26:33 GMT
just FYI.... twitter unbanned the KKK white supremacist... once again... because it's so much fun to have people being racist and spreading hate I saw! I think we were on Twitter at the same time. I can't be bothered to go through David Duke's filth to see if he's deleted the Chris tweet but the other guy has deleted his.
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Post by mechevpao9 on Mar 6, 2017 19:37:36 GMT
just FYI.... twitter unbanned the KKK white supremacist... once again... because it's so much fun to have people being racist and spreading hate I saw! I think we were on Twitter at the same time. I can't be bothered to go through David Duke's filth to see if he's deleted the Chris tweet but the other guy has deleted his.no, he hasn't deleted that tweet.. guy is acting up, like a victim of censorship, and thanking support from his fascist supporters
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Post by capsbestgirl on Mar 6, 2017 20:13:28 GMT
it's true that Duke only had 30thousand followers and the one that replied with the direct "accusation" has 40 followers, nevertheless it's a dirty game that it's meant to harm Chris image, Duke tried first with the "white genocide" acusation, it was too ridiculous and it backfired him, but to do the indirect imply, that there is something dirty in his computer and someone else saying "pedo" that is a horrible thing, there are people hurting in the real world by real sick people out there, and to have an scumbag like that man trying to damage someone's image using such accusation, it shouldn't be taken lightly. I'm pretty sure Chris' legal team would get involved quickly if necessary. I think it's quite a horrible thing to do to anyone, no matter who they are.
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Post by mechevpao9 on Mar 6, 2017 21:09:51 GMT
it's true that Duke only had 30thousand followers and the one that replied with the direct "accusation" has 40 followers, nevertheless it's a dirty game that it's meant to harm Chris image, Duke tried first with the "white genocide" acusation, it was too ridiculous and it backfired him, but to do the indirect imply, that there is something dirty in his computer and someone else saying "pedo" that is a horrible thing, there are people hurting in the real world by real sick people out there, and to have an scumbag like that man trying to damage someone's image using such accusation, it shouldn't be taken lightly. I'm pretty sure Chris' legal team would get involved quickly if necessary. I think it's quite a horrible thing to do to anyone, no matter who they are. exactly! this dude has been doing this defamation on whoever speaks against the government and then he speaks of freedom of speech on what he says
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Post by bethnor on Mar 7, 2017 2:26:21 GMT
i used to play the game warcraft 3 quite a bit, particularly random teams, 4 vs 4. invariably on your team, there are people who were gonna betray you (tkers = team killers, afk = away from computer) and otherwise screw you over. they were often creative about how they betrayed (build nothing but workers, build nothing but farms, etc., etc.). why are they doing it? for the fun of it. they want to see the world burn, so to speak. the worst thing you can do is engage with them. they want you to yell and scream and curse at them. they get off on it. it's not even that they want you to lose. they want to see your ineffectual rage at them. that's why the best thing you can do is either quit or don't talk to them.
the same here. it was a mistake to try to get duke ejected from twitter. that only gets his crowd going more about "freedom of speech." to me, every tweet he makes is living evidence that there isn't a person more who wants chris to bend them over and plow them into the mattress. holy cow he wants it bad--like why is he always tweeting pics of chris all fratboyed up? says something about his preferences, seems to me. oh, btw, for those who don't know, the "((()))" is supposed to specifically denote someone of jewish heritage who needs to be targeted by the online antisemitic community. let him use it and show the world that a tiger never changes its stripes, say i, that his supposed arc of redemption is nothing more than a show, which is obvious to anyone who's paid the least bit of attention.
now, there are some who argue that there are those who are being bullied who can't just turn away or ignore them. while that may be true and is an issue that needs to be worked out, that definitely isn't true of chris. he's a big boy and he can take care of himself. and even if he couldn't, there's an armada of lawyers at his fingers that many of his would-be defenders could never dream of having.
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Post by Bob on Mar 7, 2017 10:20:08 GMT
Really? I had no idea. I saw he put that around the word Washington in one tweet. He really is barking mad. It's so much nicer on my planet. Planet B (population 1).
It's one of those cases where my head knows you're right but my heart is still working on it. I came close to tweeting him from our twitter account but all that was going through my head was 'Your face doesn't fit your hair. You just look wrong but I can't quite put my finger on what it is*' but in the end I left it. On the IMDb board and in Evans supporting life before it I found that trolls wouldn't know how to react if you hit back with humour showing you were laughing not angry but not sure it would have any effect on Dewk.
It is some comfort that for such a well known name he doesn't have so many followers and his actual tweets rather than retweets don't attract the number of likes you'd expect. He probably believes he has more influence than he really does. Chris just has to tweet a burp and he gets a thousand likes. The problem is that Trump's victory has led people like him to believe their views are now legitimate and enjoy wider support than they really do. It's the same in Britain after Brexit. The racists supported Brexit so they now think 52% of the voters were racist like them and feel emboldened. I guess like most things it's trying to find a middle way of opposing what you believe is wrong without feeding the clearly insane with attention. It is really tricky as I find it much harder nowadays to judge who actually poses a real threat. Who is a genuine danger and who is the lunatic fringe? The borderline is more blurred than it used to be.
I do reckon what the likes of Dr Juke fear most is indifference. Puts me in mind of something my nana once said when I was ranting about a girl I used to date (we don't really say 'date' much in England we tend to say 'go out with') so I was ranting about a girl I used to go out with and my nana said 'you obviously still have feelings for her. In affairs of the heart the opposite of love is indifference.'
Not exactly the same but ...
* I think I do know actually. Don't be offended but there are too many men in American politics who are middle aged but have the hair of a young man. It makes them look odd - slightly unreal. Is it wigs, implants? Do they have Dorian Grey-like portraits of themselves in which their hair is thinning, receding and going grey? Har-rumf - OK, OK you guessed, my hair is thinning but I still have my soul!!
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Post by capsbestgirl on Mar 7, 2017 20:23:36 GMT
now, there are some who argue that there are those who are being bullied who can't just turn away or ignore them. while that may be true and is an issue that needs to be worked out, that definitely isn't true of chris. he's a big boy and he can take care of himself. and even if he couldn't, there's an armada of lawyers at his fingers that many of his would-be defenders could never dream of having. Not only will Chris have his own lawyers, but I think that Duke forget who Chris works for... I'm pretty sure that Marvel/Disney's legal team are also pretty hot on things! I have noticed today that the tweet is gone, but I do know a couple of people who replied tagging Chris in the replies.
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Post by bethnor on Mar 8, 2017 6:52:16 GMT
Really? I had no idea. I saw he put that around the word Washington in one tweet. He really is barking mad. It's so much nicer on my planet. Planet B (population 1).
welcome to BEING OLD. i only realized this with the past US election cycle. the ugliest elements apparently did spring from the nerd community. it's distressing, considering i'm a big nerd, and one wonders if nerds will in fact doom the world, if only to see it burn. i have to say i also find current leftists alien. they've filled the leftist lexicon with odd terms like "woke," which seems like an attempt to make human rights sound cool. i would point out human rights don't have to be cool to be right. i think i understand the matter better than most, but find things ridiculous (exhibit A would be how renner and evans were raked over the coals for joking about black widow)--so am i not "woke?" it's as bad as saying (((captain america))), who is not jewish--he doesn't exist. of course it's gone. he's a hypocrite. he's gone with the phony borne-again christian routine, but let his true stripes show up. let ben shapiro retweet about "(((captain america)))." that's all the defense chris needs imo.
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Post by Bob on Mar 8, 2017 11:09:03 GMT
I was struck by something Karlacev wrote on IMDb recently. I also find it harder to 'label' my beliefs. Can anyone really say they embrace any philosophy 100% with no reservations? Are there no conservatives in the USA who believe in gun control? Are there no liberals in the UK who support Brexit? As I've got older I realise that my allegiance to any particular political leanings (or religious/philosophical) is a 'best fit' scenario. It makes me feel slightly disconnected and yet in equal measure more confident in making my own decisions.
It's like Eckhart Tolle (spurious Evans link coming up here). I'd love to chat Eckhart Tolle with The Evans and see if he really doesn't share some of the reservations I have about Tolle. I can read his books and over 90% of the time I'm nodding and thinking this is great - although they are not your original ideas as any Buddhist will tell you - but then he'll come up with something which is jaw droppingly bizarre. I present his comments on menstruation as evidence. Life is always multi-shaded.
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Post by Picap on Mar 8, 2017 15:32:49 GMT
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Post by mechevpao9 on Mar 8, 2017 18:16:28 GMT
They should had made the statue of that girl with the clows, like X-23 (the Wolverine girl). Would have represented more the times we are facing, which are not gentle at all.
BsM84, I agree about Tolle, I like somethings in his books, but it's a lot of what can be found in Buddhism and I don't agree with all that the man says. It's important to keep in mind, we don't have to agree with everything someone says, we can be critical too.
Bethnor, what you mention a lot about "being woke", I think some people put other's under too much scrutiny in what others say or do, no one can say all the right things all time and sometimes under jokes and gestures, someone can say something dumb and offensive, as long as that person realizes that and apologizes, all is fine, in fact.. it's what we all do, we can be like that at times as long as we can see it and apologize... there is no need to aply "social justice" in such extremist way in which SM does at times. Though people like david duke and others on that side, say the kind of stuff.... which is disgusting and they trully believe it and do not apologize about it.
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